Podcast: ChangeMaking Connections

Naomi Ortiz on the distinction between Mutual Aid and Interdependence.

“Both are necessary, but Interdependence is about building in day-to-day community and support. It's also about working through the complexities, tensions, and joys that arise when we show up for each other regularly.

We may have to set boundaries or work through conflicts. But we also get to honor our capacities.”

Listen to Naomi's insightful episode HERE. “Companions in Process: Interdependence In Climate & Disability Justice with Naomi Ortiz. In this heartful episode, Naomi Ortiz explores their art as a spiritual process of listening to the land, grief work, and the difference between interdependence and mutual aid. As we discuss their new book, Rituals for Climate Change: A Crip Struggle for Ecojustice, we explore what disability justice offers the climate justice movement and what rootedness in place offers to people living with disability. Naomi also shares some rituals to sustain us in these times.”